Active TopicsActive Topics  Display List of Forum MembersMemberlist  CalendarCalendar  Search The ForumSearch  HelpHelp
  RegisterRegister  LoginLogin

Stock Synopsis
 The Equity Desk Forum :Investment Ideas - Creating winning portfolios! :Stock Synopsis
Message Icon Topic: JHS Svendgaard:Play on India's oral care Post Reply Post New Topic
<< Prev Page  of 4 Next >>
Author Message
prabhakarkudva
Senior Member
Senior Member


Joined: 16/Jan/2008
Location: India
Online Status: Offline
Posts: 1624
Quote prabhakarkudva Replybullet Posted: 02/Jan/2011 at 3:25pm
This is a commodity business and for us to take this business seriously they should grow topline at a very high rate.

We should dig deeper to find out if there is a moat.All they seem to be saying is that they have an integrated facility for toothpaste and toothbrush and they operate from himachal which is has some fiscal benefits.
Take your chances and keep them in a box until a quieter time.
IP IP Logged
subu76
Senior Member
Senior Member


Joined: 25/Feb/2008
Online Status: Offline
Posts: 5709
Quote subu76 Replybullet Posted: 02/Jan/2011 at 8:07pm
Originally posted by prabhakarkudva

Their AR is brilliant.Every aspect is explained in a crystal clear manner.

 
I agree ... the annual report is indeed very well crafted...for a small player this is pretty unexpected. Smile They are trying hard to do a good sales job.
 
A few misc points:
 
On the promoter share pledging the annual report seems to mention that it's pledged as security for the working capital loan. So maybe no issues there

Is there any justification for the fall in topline in 2009? After all oral health care business id not go down because of the industrial recession.

Also, the 12% margin (2009-10) for such a low value added player seems a bit on the higher side...2009's margin was 5%.

Also note:  the company seems to have diluted equity recently...They have plans to take over some group companies...
 
My personal gut feel is that the stock will do well over the next 1-2 yrs (both the publicity machine and the profit machine will crank)


Edited by subu76 - 02/Jan/2011 at 8:13pm
IP IP Logged
prabhakarkudva
Senior Member
Senior Member


Joined: 16/Jan/2008
Location: India
Online Status: Offline
Posts: 1624
Quote prabhakarkudva Replybullet Posted: 02/Jan/2011 at 8:18pm
I think they were just starting out then and sold to retails like Subhishka,Spencers etc which were going through a tough time.Now they have entered in to a long term contract with P&G(for Tide or Arial)which seems to have given them some traction.

Margins - Their OPM and GPM has always been in the 15-20% range.Is there a moat?NPM has fluctuated - may be because of higher depreciation on lower profits in 09.

Either way,not a business which will let you sleep well.
Take your chances and keep them in a box until a quieter time.
IP IP Logged
srisaurabh2000
Senior Member
Senior Member


Joined: 10/Dec/2009
Online Status: Offline
Posts: 397
Quote srisaurabh2000 Replybullet Posted: 02/Jan/2011 at 8:46pm
Probably Colgate and Amar Remedies would be a better play.

The absense of brand and no intention of pursuing that is a disadvantage for JHS. Dental Spa expansion also may not be an easy franchise.

Amar Remedies has a brand and also does mfg for other folks. Though they also carry a baggage with high debt.


Edited by srisaurabh2000 - 02/Jan/2011 at 8:51pm
IP IP Logged
learn2earn
Senior Member
Senior Member
Avatar

Joined: 31/Jul/2009
Online Status: Offline
Posts: 123
Quote learn2earn Replybullet Posted: 02/Jan/2011 at 9:41pm
Originally posted by srisaurabh2000


Probably Colgate and Amar Remedies would be a better play. The absense of brand and no intention of pursuing that is a disadvantage for JHS. Dental Spa expansion also may not be an easy franchise.Amar Remedies has a brand and also does mfg for other folks. Though they also carry a baggage with high debt.


I think their business is more of a service to oral sector rather than direct marketing or product company unlike colgate or Amar rem.The branded companies sell their manuf. products in the market as their own brand.As sumone pointed out earlier in the forum its a proxy for FMCG.

I read sumwhere they almost have a monopoly in oral products with all big brands as their clients.I will try to find the link again.
INVESTING - EMOTION = SUCCESS
IP IP Logged
excel_monkey
Senior Member
Senior Member
Avatar

Joined: 17/Nov/2009
Online Status: Offline
Posts: 1281
Quote excel_monkey Replybullet Posted: 02/Jan/2011 at 9:46pm
Amar Remedies is scam tainted
IP IP Logged
excel_monkey
Senior Member
Senior Member
Avatar

Joined: 17/Nov/2009
Online Status: Offline
Posts: 1281
Quote excel_monkey Replybullet Posted: 02/Jan/2011 at 5:14am
prabhakar ji
if you are looking for some upcoming consumer play
look at Bajaj Corp
at FY12 P/E of 15 with a leading brand
exceptionally high ROE
as well as it is going to expand its product portfolio

it would take JHS Svendgaard exceptional skill, large amount of investment and above all exceptional luck to morph from a contract manufacturer to a brand owner
IP IP Logged
hit2710
Senior Member
Senior Member
Avatar

Joined: 15/Jun/2009
Location: India
Online Status: Offline
Posts: 4013
Quote hit2710 Replybullet Posted: 28/Jan/2011 at 11:25pm
Promoter Nikhil Nanda has sold more than 2 lac shares in fy 10 (beginning may 2010) whereas sbi mf has bought 4.2 lac shares of jhs.

his holding reduced from 39.84 to 38.13% from may 2010 to dec 2010.
Stockmarket is a weird place. For every person who buys a stock there is a person who sells it and both think they are very smart.
IP IP Logged
<< Prev Page  of 4 Next >>
Post Reply Post New Topic
Printable version Printable version

Forum Jump
You cannot post new topics in this forum
You cannot reply to topics in this forum
You cannot delete your posts in this forum
You cannot edit your posts in this forum
You cannot create polls in this forum
You cannot vote in polls in this forum



This page was generated in 0.031 seconds.
Bookmark this Page