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Quote hit2710 Replybullet Posted: 13/Jul/2010 at 3:22pm
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Even though this might not be the case currently in India, how about possibility of ban on Asbestose? & then associated issues with these companies?


I had read the director's report of both sahyadri and visaka and both mention the threat of anti asbestos lobby

"Availability of adequate power, exchange rate fluctuations, increase in input cost such as cost of power, transport, and raw material , inadequate
monsoon, additional entries, increasing capacities and the malafide campaign against Asbestos Products are the concern to the industry as a whole."

The above is from director's statement of sahyadri. Funnily, they describe the thread from malafide campaign.
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Quote karn Replybullet Posted: 13/Jul/2010 at 4:19pm
Asbestos kills Europeans, Australians and Japanese but not Indians
http://www.toxicslink.org/qdocs/Asbestos.pdf
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Quote Bhupan Replybullet Posted: 13/Jul/2010 at 4:39pm
Well it's India Karn ..

so we have world's dangerous ship breaking in Alang , Nuclear waste thrown  in coastal area  .. Aren't we dumping yards for the west ( and waste ) ??
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Quote vinvestor2010 Replybullet Posted: 13/Jul/2010 at 6:09pm
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Asbestos kills Europeans, Australians and Japanese but not Indians
http://www.toxicslink.org/qdocs/Asbestos.pdf

Very valid point karnji, 3rd world country does not mean kuch bhi chalega.If you want to invest do it but like with tobacco stocks, there is always a risk
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Quote vinvestor2010 Replybullet Posted: 13/Jul/2010 at 6:12pm
However Bhupanji is right, in India 3 tata motors cars caught fire but no problem
In US a few Toyota cars have break problems millions of cars recalled
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Quote hit2710 Replybullet Posted: 13/Jul/2010 at 7:10pm
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Very valid point karnji, 3rd world country does not mean kuch bhi chalega.If you want to invest do it but like with tobacco stocks, there is always a risk


I think these fears are reflected in the valuations of these companies. Just as mentioned above in tobacco stocks, fears till date have been ungrounded in India and tobacco companies continue to make merry with healthy cash flows. One has to consider risk reward and think about investing.
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Quote Vivek Sukhani Replybullet Posted: 13/Jul/2010 at 7:22pm
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Originally posted by karn

Asbestos kills Europeans, Australians and Japanese but not Indians
http://www.toxicslink.org/qdocs/Asbestos.pdf

Very valid point karnji, 3rd world country does not mean kuch bhi chalega.If you want to invest do it but like with tobacco stocks, there is always a risk
 
Kaun rokega???? Sugar causes obesity and causes diabetes and other lots of associated ailments, so shall we ban the use of sugar? Consuming alcohol is bad for society, has these countries named in the report imposed a ban on them???
 
Dont confuse ethics with business...and dont mix them up too much. Its the job of the Law to decide to when the business is breaching the accepted level, not us. Intervene when you can provide the alternative solution, otherwise you end up creating a bigger mess.
 
Now, surely we cannot afford to put the coming generation to risk...surely we cant. So, develop a road-map....like phasing out of gasoline guzzling vehicles and replacing them with those which follow high emission standards. Dont ban, but give a period for a phase-out during which you can implement your plan.
 
Understand the constraints.....You are talking about risk in tobacco companies.....read ITC's Annual Report. The health hazard is posed more by products of unorganised sector. Moreover, they dont pay excise duties and other levies. How to curb that menace....is the society ready for that kind of action?
 
Now think about who uses asbestor sheets, mainly the rural households. Can everyone migrate from mud-roofed/tiled roof house directly to a pucca house. No.....but wont they like to have a better protection than what the mud-roofed/tiled roof house offers...they would. Would he/she listen to this argument of asbestos being a cause of cancer and decide against using it.....he wont.
 
As an investor, I wont like my company to be producing something which puts the lives of people at risk....but then, why the heck shall I beleive anyone which comes out with a study showing the health hazards of asbestos sheet production. There are studies which can be shown to support the counter-argument.
 
 
 
 
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Quote bihisello Replybullet Posted: 13/Jul/2010 at 7:25pm
Originally posted by Bhupan

Well it's India Karn .. so we have world's dangerous ship breaking in Alang , Nuclear waste thrown  in coastal area  .. Aren't we dumping yards for the west ( and waste ) ??


Not always good to blame the West. We are also bad. Recently, radioactive material from Delhi University was sold as bhangaar. Adulteration of foods and making of fake medicine is also done by us only.
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