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Quote hit2710 Replybullet Posted: 20/Jun/2010 at 10:14am
Originally posted by subu76

Hitesh, any idea where did that 275 cr used up for expansion come from?


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I did not do too much analysis here for fear of paralysis.

Basically here charts suggested good upsides and I tried to find out why it could be so. And I found the reason in its expansion programme. But I did not delve too much into the financial aspect of it.

And recently around 15-16, the promoters were buying shares from the markets like crazy and that reaffirmed my belief that something was cooking.

About the finances for expansion etc, I dont have too much idea.
Stockmarket is a weird place. For every person who buys a stock there is a person who sells it and both think they are very smart.
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Quote EquityInv Replybullet Posted: 20/Jun/2010 at 10:38am
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However, i must say I think you'll make quick money on this one.....

Dhamaka started now!

One observation that whenever you comment like this on any stocks, fireworks starts!!

Recent examples are Hawkins,TTK and now this one.. Power of HNI/Subu

B/w how much will you charge to post your comment on few of my picks ?
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Quote subu76 Replybullet Posted: 21/Jun/2010 at 9:15pm
I wish you were right.
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Quote Shadofax Replybullet Posted: 12/Apr/2011 at 7:27pm
Below are a few facts for the company. I dont think anything else is require to analyse this company (in terms of numbers).
 
- MCAP: 285 crores
- approx 73000 MTA capacity (vs 39000 MTA)
- Approximate NET fixed asset = 320 cr (45 cr + 275 cr)
- Approximate depreciation = 24 cr (6 per quarter)
- Equity: 161 cr
- Debt: approx 175 cr (guessing)
- Plant resumed from 1st May 2010
- Cash - Negligible
 
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- Concerns cheaper imports
- Positive - economies of scale ... but how big this can be?
- 2008 PAT margins  = 11% (crude prices at peak in this financial year)
- Prices of crude have have a 1 month lagged effet on octanol and butano
  Crude => propylene / Naphtha => Octonal / Butanol
 
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It doesnt matter that this company is the only company in India to produce Octonal / Butanol ... Bocause one can import. And even their annual report seems to suggest that there is competition in terms of cheaper imports.
 
 
Currently the capacities are running at 100% utilisation.
 
Assuming the sales for FY12 @ 80Rs / Kg and 100% capacity utilisation
Sales = 73000* 1000 (ton to kg) * 80 (rs)  = 584 crores
Assuming margin of 11% PAT = 64 crores
MCAP: 285 crores
 
But even after putting all these numbers ... I dont get how to value these kind of companies.
 
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Liquadation value = 320 crore (Fixed asset) - 175 crores (debt) = 145 crores.
 
Sorry for a unstructured post ... dint have time to structure it. I have no interest in the stock except for the evaluation purpose. I want to understand how to value these kind of companies.
 
 
 
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Quote subu76 Replybullet Posted: 22/Jul/2012 at 10:04pm
The stock hasn't really budged from it's past range. Perhaps that goes to show market always factored in the situation after the turnaround.
 
I guess interest payment has compensated for the additional revenues?
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