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Quote PrashantS Replybullet Posted: 22/Jan/2007 at 11:53am
But The most important thing is damage control...though we learn a lot from the buffets and Peter lynch....indian markets dont depend on that ...no fundamentals no technicals....operators drive people crazy.....

imagine one day your happy you have made 30 to 40% money and the next week your loosing 10% of your real investments...i think ....we can all start a thread and collect data to do damage control....coz no one wants to loose their reall capital...

Is it better to remove the real capital you have invested from time to time...

again we would still make money...as being a small investor i cant take stake liek jhunjhunwalas....please share your expereince and i am sure TEd members can come out witha plan to control your fear and save the real capital you invest....

One of the ideas i do as a small investor is i pull out the reall investment and hold the profit in stocks...........there might be many ways ....but if u make a loss it really hurts very badly and the guys who are rich get stronger...and make the markets volatile for small guys like us and give us sleepless nights.......

So lets discuss...i dont want to loose if not gain to much...in equity markets..and people have been wipped out in such markets.......I BET I DONT WANT TO BE ONE...AND I AM SURE YOU DONT WANT TO BE IN SUCHA STATE....


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Quote basant Replybullet Posted: 23/Jan/2007 at 12:18pm
Some day, sometime this market will get you me and everybody no doubt but the trick is to earn enough to be able to lose a bit. For example if you have a 20 bagger portfolio and you lose 50% you can still walk away with a 10 bagger.
 
SOme months back we had a brain storming session related to this at:
 
Om Shivaya: Any updates trhat you might share with us about that thread or you are too busy with Nucleus these daysWink
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Quote omshivaya Replybullet Posted: 23/Jan/2007 at 2:05pm

Uhmm, well Basant sir...Nothing as such to share. And nopes, am not busy with Nucleus at all. I dont run Nucleus. I just buy a share and then get to other things, so nothing to be busy about.

 
Any updates on Educomp btw? How do you see the results?
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Quote xbox Replybullet Posted: 05/Feb/2007 at 9:12am
First sector and then stock. There are broadly 3 phases in investing life (I have lived all 3, not sure if more left)...Basant jee is there anymore ?
 
phase 1. When one acts based on broker/friend. In this phase silverline looks more compelling as compared to INFY. This is learning cycle. More you lose money earlier you get out from here. This is quite diversified state.
phase 2. This phase starts after a considerable gap. Here, you remember your dark past. and try to pick all solid companies. You look at PER, BV, dividend yield and management etc. Here you are not loosing money but you are also not making multi-baggers (you wanted). Sometimes you don't get even index return. Sometimes you think that phase 1 was better given a little luck (as by then all you picks in phase 1 might be multi-baggers). This is quite diversified state.
phase 3. This phase starts immediately after phase 2. Here one try to bet on sectors & management. By this phase you are aware of many scripts and market functions. Here you apply what you learnt from earlier phases. You not only pick phase 2 type of companies in identified sectors but also you pick phase 1 type of companies in same sectors yet you feel quite relaxed. This is moksha state (no more birth/deaths, no more buys/sells). This is quite concentrated state.
 
I have lived every word of these 3 phases. I reached phase 3. One has to traverse all the way from phase 1. God bless all.
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Quote SORUB Replybullet Posted: 05/Feb/2007 at 9:30am
i did lot of mistakes but didnt get battered...i have lot of opportunity cost...bad sell desisions...no desipline.no money management...
bought ashok leyland at 19 and sold at 29
bought hinzinc @200 and sold at 900
guj amb@64 and sold at 79
vijbank @10 and sold at 74
pentamedia @13 sold at 10
slasteel @26 and sold at 12
.....big list....but i didnt make big losses but huge lost opportunity...
        one should be a good learner to survive in market...markets are great ninja masters where you can learn about life...
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Quote BubbleVision Replybullet Posted: 05/Feb/2007 at 9:35am
Hi SORUB
 
markets are great ninja masters where you can learn about life...
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Quote Vivek Sukhani Replybullet Posted: 05/Feb/2007 at 9:43am
Vipul,
 
Although I agree with you somewhat yet I have some difference of opinion as well. You can escape Phase 1 if you are so attuned, if you have the discipline. With some bit of education of investment science( although, you may also call it a art), you can also straightaway enter into stage 2.Also, sometimes you dont transit from stage 2 to stage 3 for your entire life. Some rigid fundamentalists never got into stage 3. This is especially true for people who never look at anything else apart from the figures. they work in this matter with a very scientific rather than a artisitc bent of mind. Investment Gurus like Walter Schloss or Benjamin graham will fit this bill.
 
In my opinion, the transition of phases is also very blurred. You will find numerous examples of people staying in stage 1, making rich gains during the bull run and later squandering all their gains ... they promise to themselves they will never make the same mistake but the lure of good profits and a dangerous seelf confidence( rather, over-confidence) that they will call it quits at the most opportune time, make them stay in Stage 1....
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Quote SORUB Replybullet Posted: 05/Feb/2007 at 10:01am
bubble ji,i like cartoons and action movies...you can see master teaching students in a very tough manner to teach them decipline...for me markets and these ninja/kung fu masters are same...
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