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Quote subu76 Replybullet Posted: 08/Sep/2009 at 5:29pm
The company has really turned around in the last 3-4 years i think. They are now essentially about machine tools and end to end machine services. Perhaps they are the best Indian bet to play the heavy machine tools segment.... 
 
In the machining services they have ramped up their capability 400% last fiscal year. Right now they have also derisked their model and have won customers in Wind energy, power and defence....BEML, Cummins etc. So their  operating revenues grew 15% (i think) despite a 60% slump in sales to automobile companies. The end to end service business is also growing quickly....
 
While they have a fledging automobile business...that business has not taken off yet...Management has promised not to throw a lot of money into this. Management thinks that business will take off when credit becomes available.
 
The younger Doshi (older Doshi died last year) really wants to make a difference. Smile 
 
The reason why i personally find this stock very interesting is that the promoters are buying a lot of this stock thought it's at 24+ PE. This plus the fact that management says that revenues from the large contracts have not started coming in.....


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Quote nitin_jagtap Replybullet Posted: 08/Sep/2009 at 5:31pm
What has incentivised Mr Doshi to suddenly start taking interest in the business which should have been done long time back and which could have avoided the numerous failures. If we know the reason we can then decide. The land will just remain as asset which will never be sold IMO.
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Quote subu76 Replybullet Posted: 08/Sep/2009 at 5:33pm
Yeah....that is the key point.....Bap beta dono kala dhabba mitana chahte hain i guess.....
 
Their earlier repuation makes buying it very very hard indeed.....
 
On their land holding...a few years back they decided to sell it...and then they backtracked....
 
But one thing is for sure....they have indeed diversified the business from autos to other sectors....


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Quote nav_1996 Replybullet Posted: 08/Sep/2009 at 7:04pm
They could not hold their turf when they had a great brand and duopoly. Not sure how well they will compete in machining where there are so many organized/unorganized plays. Even auto segment they are targetting is very comeptitive - Tata, Bajaj, Mahindra, Force etc.
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Quote subu76 Replybullet Posted: 08/Sep/2009 at 7:13pm
nav_1996....could you please name any of the organized players....preferrably listed.....It will be good to check competition
 
Their claim is that their costs are lower by 20-25% and servicing better since they are located in India......Their claim is that most of their competition is from players from Taiwain and South Korea....
 
Since they won the Nano contract and some PSU contracts i thought there might be some credence.....but could not see how to independently verify this data point


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Quote nav_1996 Replybullet Posted: 08/Sep/2009 at 7:51pm
Sorry Subu. I was wrong. I thought they are in machining. But looks like they make machine tools.

But even for machine tools areas you have listed players are Lokesh Machines and Wendt India(grinding).

Chellenge with this business is that it is one time purchase and does not get obsolete immediately. e.g Manugraph - printing machinery was showing great growth when all newsapaper capacities were coming up. But now volumes have gone cosiderably down.


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Quote subu76 Replybullet Posted: 08/Sep/2009 at 8:20pm
Hey Nav_1996, thanks for the competitor names. I'll certainly check up Lokesh if details are available.....
 
On the opportunity front.......India has about 0.7% of the world's Machine tool market only.....so if you belive in the growth story that is there.
 
But this is a pure industrial/auto cyclical business
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Quote kulman Replybullet Posted: 08/Sep/2009 at 9:18pm
Originally posted by smartcat

If I buy a Padmini, I will definitely become single again


Big%20smile ha ha ha!

By the way, what happened to Bebo?


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