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Quote Kishor Replybullet Posted: 21/Jul/2009 at 5:29pm
Hi Basant Sir
 
There are other ways to play around with balancce  sheet and cash flow.
 
Take for example,a company needs to improve the cash operating cash flow without taking on additonal liabliites.One way is to  reduce the inventory but how?.In this recession nobody is going to buy from this company.So now comapny wants to elimintae the inventory and improve the BS and Op cash flow.
 
They can transfer the Inventory to an unlisted company and get the money on the condition that the Listed company will buy back the goods within next 1-2 years at a higher price.Let us say Inventory is valued at Rs100 in Listed company.They transferred 50%(50/-) of it to  another unlisted company and agreed that the listed comapny will buy it back at Rs 65/- after 1-2 years.
 
What is the effect of this transfer.The invenotry is reduced to 50/-from 100/-  and they get cash of 50/-.This is a kind of pledge disguised as sale sale.So the Listed company without actaully selling the inventory increased the cash balance and reduced inventory.Now Inventory turnover ratio will look good.Operating cash will improve becasue of inventory reduction.
 
But in actaul they have pledged the inventory to another company.The listed comapny is laible to buy back the inventory at 65/- after some time.So this liability of 65/- is not at all shown in the liability side of the BS of the listed company.The difference between the Sales price 50 and buy back price of 65 is the interest, the lsited has to pay to the other company.If a companies do like this,I dont think ordinary people like me will be able to figure that out.
 
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Quote subu76 Replybullet Posted: 21/Jul/2009 at 6:16pm
Thank You Basant Ji.
 
Originally posted by basant

Cash flow is dependent on actual movement on cash so maybe dividend declared but not paid would come under the P&L but not in the cash flowstatement.
 
You can find a difference in taxes paid and expensed for also.
 
 
 
Originally posted by subu76

Hi Accountants on this board.....Kindly help me figure this out:
 
SRF
 
Shares outstanding = 6 cr dividend/share=Rs 10
Only interim dividend was paid.
 
Then what explains the difference between 1 and 2:
 
1. In P&L: Interim Dividend= 62 cr
2. In cash flow statement under financing actitvity:
  Dividends on equity share capital =48 cr
 
This is true for all annual reports .. but why is this mismatch?
Are there some shares on which no dividend is paid?
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Quote subu76 Replybullet Posted: 21/Jul/2009 at 6:47pm
I thought a bit more....I think it's quite possible that some of the dividend cheques have not been encashed.......
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Quote Kishor Replybullet Posted: 21/Jul/2009 at 7:00pm
Hi Subu Sir
 
When the company pays dividend,company actaully transfers that much amount to a seperate bank account called for Eg XYZ Comapny dividend account.So that much cash is an outflow as Company cant use it for any other purpose.The Shareholders get the dividend from that bank account.Without transferring money to a seperate bank account comapny cant pay dividend.
 
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Quote Vivek Sukhani Replybullet Posted: 21/Jul/2009 at 7:28pm
Kya Bhai Log, itna larai jhagda kisliye ho raha hai???? Larai jhagda karne ka kaam to mera hai naa.....
 
See, SRF may have declared 2 interims in 2008-09, but in 2008-09, it has actually paid the final dividend of 2007-2008 and the first interim of 2008-2009. The second interim declared has actually been paid in 2009-2010.
 
So, in 2008-09, it paid 7 rupees per share. So, the amount paid must be 7*6=42 crores.
 
The reason its 48 crores, is that the equity you are seeing is the reduced equity as the compay did a buyback during the year. So, the final dividend of last year was paid on the higher equity. If you account for this, the amount in the cash flow statement will tally.
 
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Quote Hitesh Shah Replybullet Posted: 21/Jul/2009 at 7:38pm
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Kya Bhai Log, itna larai jhagda kisliye ho raha hai???? ........


All because you never gave the solution on time! LOL Ab sab shaant, I hope.
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Quote Vivek Sukhani Replybullet Posted: 21/Jul/2009 at 7:50pm
Originally posted by Hitesh Shah

Originally posted by Vivek Sukhani

Kya Bhai Log, itna larai jhagda kisliye ho raha hai???? ........


All because you never gave the solution on time! LOL Ab sab shaant, I hope.
 
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Quote subu76 Replybullet Posted: 21/Jul/2009 at 8:03pm
Thanks Vivek.....i get it now. Smile
 
Ek aaur doubt hain...
 
Shouldn't the SRF guys mention the timelines when their debt comes due on their annual report?
 
 
Basically is this normal practise.
 


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