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Quote basant Replybullet Topic: TV 18 - A CAS(e) for Internet valuations
    Posted: 20/Jul/2006 at 2:43pm
THIS THREAD WAS STARTED BEFORE TV18 WAS DEMERGED INTO TV18 AND NETWORK 18
 
TV 18 (CMP Rs 571) has been one of my best all time picks. This is also a case of what Lynch said “Buy what you see”. The story for now runs deeper then that. There are multiple triggers that the market is failing to recognize at this point in time.

 

Analysts today behave like accountants. They refuse to estimate and generally rely on companies to provide guidance. With this kind of an approach investors will only make market returns. There are multiple analyst reports refusing to take into account any of the profits from TV18’s  new venture since the company did not give them any figures.Now the multiple triggers that this stock could see are:

 

1) Raghav Bahl the promoter had declared last year that Awwaz’s revenue in some time would exceed the revenues of CNBC TV-18. The total viewrship of Awwaz is already on par with that of TV 18 and as per Raghav’s statement the total revenues from Awwaz should soon overtake the English news channel’s revenue- Analysts have not made any provision for revenues from this channel.

 

2) No provision has been made for any revenues from CNN-IBN the English flagship channel. The latest TAM ratings show that CNN-IBN is ahead of NDTV 24/7 in all the time slots. If the market values NDTV’s 3 channels at Rs 1000 crores market cap the value of the English Channel 24/7 should at least be half of that. A lion’s share of NDTV’s revenue is derived from this English Channel.

 

3) Channel 7 a company in which the TV 18 group holds 50% stake also does not find any mention in the analyst’s reports.

 

The Research houses argue that in the absence of the company giving any guidance on these channels they would not be able to account for any of the revenues that might accrue from these ventures.

 

Now we can come to the most interesting part – the Group’s internet business. In fy 06 The revenues from internet and related software businesses for TV 18 group as a whole was Rs 11.13 crores out of the total revenues for Rs 152.04 crores. Almost half (Rs 6.03 crores) of the internet revenues had come in the period Jan – Mar 06.

 

Moneycontrol has already been ranking amongst the top 1000 websites in the world and amongst the financial websites is ranked only behind the wallstreetjournal.com. The market will now have to quickly adjust to the rise of ibnlive.com into the top 2500 websites in the world. This has happened within 7 months of its launch.

 

The other growing internet businesses that TV 18 posses are yatra.in (finance partners ADA and Pramode Haque), commoditiescontrol.com (the commodity website of the company which has already tied up with corporate users) and a home shopping network which is yet to be launched.

 

At the NASDAQ internet companies are valued at 10 to 20 times market cap to sales. We cannot do an EPS analysis of TV – 18’s internet properties since the data is insufficient and therefore stick to a market cap to sales study. The company has already decided to transfer its internet businesses  into a wholly owed subsidiary to provide focus to these ventures.

 

Company

Market Cap

Price/Sales TTM

Forward PE

Google

US $120.93bn

17.12

31.59

Yahoo

US $ 35.5bn

8.04

35.49

Rediff

US $ 338.46mn

17.02

40.08

 

 

 

 

                                                                                Source yahoo finance

 

Of late there has been tremendous growth in the broadband services in India. Coupled with the high growth rate in PC sales internet properties can only be valuable. My sense is that by Fy 08 the internet ventures should have a top line of at least Rs 100 crores. Growth would come from increasing penetration of existing networks and also from the launch of new sites. If we value the same on a Market cap to Sales ratio of 12 times - 30% discount to the top companies at NASDAQ these ventures should be valued at Rs 1200 crores only. On an expanded restructured total equity of 2.6 crore shares they amount for Rs 460 per share. With the cash that the company holds and the proposed cash that is being raised by the promoters’ relinquishment of 10% equity the other businesses of the company are available for free!!!

  

No wonder the top management says that internet properties “can create tremendous value”

 

As I write this there is a news flash about the Govt. finally notifying CAS and once that happens TV-18 will be further benefited. This is so because last mile operators rampantly under declare the actual number of cable TV subscribers to the broadcasters. It is estimated that only 15% of the actual subscription is pocketed by broadcaster- the rest is kept by the distributors since there is no monitoring authority.



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Quote vinay Replybullet Posted: 20/Jul/2006 at 11:54pm

THIS DISCUSSION IMPRESSED ME TO BUY THIS STOCK.

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Quote basant Replybullet Posted: 21/Jul/2006 at 2:48am
 
The Tv 18 group has also picked up a 50% stake in the Indian operations of Jobsstreet.com. With a a target audiance base that is consists of predominently professionals and executives the company would be able to generate great synergies from this investment. I was fortunate enough to meet Dr. Pranoy Roy (founder of NDTV) near Alipore in Kolkata last winter. Dr. roy was taking an afternoon walk and while I rushed from the car to talk to him about the media Industry I was pleasently surprised when during our short conversation he said  "CNBC is very powerful".
 
The TV 18 management is doing their business very well. Stock prices could fall from here or stay in the current range. Who knows? But if the  company continues to increase its EPS at a good pace and generate a decent RoE the market will have to sit back and take notice. 
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Quote maag Replybullet Posted: 25/Jul/2006 at 8:31am
Do you recommend people to buy this stock for at present levels for a 3 to 6 month  period? WHat price can you see  by the end of December 2006 when CAS is launched?
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Quote basant Replybullet Posted: 27/Jul/2006 at 1:42am

For the quarter ended June 2006 Sonata Investments - A Anil Ambani controlled company has increased its stake in Tv 18 from 6,50,000 shares to 10,00,000 shares.



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Quote basant Replybullet Posted: 28/Jul/2006 at 5:06pm

                   TV18, Continued News Leadership!

 

Television -18 came out with its numbers today. I have presented the salient features discussed by the management regarding the operations of the company.

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Over the past few months, besides consolidating its leadership position on established brands like CNBC TV18 and Awwaz, the TV18 network also emerged as the lead contender in the English News space with the firm dominance of CNN-IBN as the leader in English news. The recent relaunch of Channel 7 has seen it emerge as a strong contender for leadership in the Hindi News space. Besides, TV18 has also embarked on an ambitious internet strategy that has seen it enter the online recruitment (Jobstreet.com), travel services (yatraonline.com) and Home Shopping space (both online and television). Over the next few months, TV18 will continue to consolidate its leadership in the television and internet space. TV18 has also shown robust revenue and profit growth. The growth in revenue and profits is purely attributed to the strength of its product offerings. Here is a brief synopsis of the performance of its key properties for the April- June 2006 quarter: 

 

CNBC-TV18: India's No 1 Business medium. Created the genre of Business

news on television…the last word in business news.

 

AWAAZ: The first channel to focus on the needs of the consumer.

Little surprise, AWAAZ is the fastest growing channel in the country.

 

Channel7: The emerging leader in Hindi news.

 

IBNLive.com: The online arm of CNN-IBN, with hardcore news

offering and an interactive platform for users.

 

Moneycontrol.com: Asia's largest and the world's second largest

financial portal.

 

Poweryourtrade.com: The online investment service that gives you

everything you need to trade and to win, at your fingertips.

 

Commoditiescontrol.com: India's first and most credible commodities

information and research service.

 

Jobstreet.com: One of India's premier e-recruitment portals.

 

Yatra.com: Yatra Online is India's first online centralized travel service. 

 

Result Synopsis:

·         TV18** posts 55% Revenue growth; Net Profit up 65%

·         Q1 Revenues at Rs. 416.07 mn, Up 55% YOY

·         Operating Profit at Rs. 213.76 mn, Up 57% YOY

·         Operating Margin maintained above 50%

·         Net Profit at Rs. 138.21 mn, Up 65% YOY

·         EPS at Rs 6.57but after deducting for ESOPs the EPS is Rs 5.59)

 

TV18 Network (all four channels) Records 100% Growth in Revenues over last year

 

**Published results include revenues from CNBC-TV18, Moneycontrol.com & Commoditiescontrol.com and do  not include results from CNN-IBN, Channel 7, Awaaz  and also a slew of Internet ventures. Company is expected to announce a couple of acquisitions in the internet space

 

Highlights: 
  • TV18 Network (CNBC-TV18, Awaaz, CNN-IBN, Channel 7 and internet portals) records 100% growth in top line on YOY basis.
  • CNBC-TV18 and Awaaz dominate the Business News category with over 70% market share
  • CNN-IBN maintains its leadership position in English General News, stays ahead of NDTV 24X7 for eight consecutive weeks
  • Group’s revenues from Internet business cross $1 mn.
  • Channel 7 re-launched on 5th June. Has already garnered 11% market share of Hindi News market beating the established players in four important Hindi speaking markets
  • TV18’s restructuring scheme approved by Delhi High Court.

 Awaaz (TV18 Group Company Channel) Highlights:

 ·         Awaaz is growing by leaps and bounds. Commands 50% more market share than NDTV Profit. 

·         A strong franchise base is fuelling the growth in revenues.

 

 CNN-IBN (TV18 Group Company Channel) Highlights:

 

·         CNN-IBN has firmly established its leadership position in English General News. Ahead of the second best by 30%(

·         CNN-IBN is the most watched channel on special days/events.

 

Internet Ventures Highlights:

 ·         Internet/software revenues grow from Rs 8.79 mn to Rs 51.54 mn YOY.

·         3.5 million unique users subscribe to Moneycontrol. More than 120mn page views per month along with the highest average time spent of 29 minutes per user.

·         Ibnlive.com is fast becoming India’s favorite online news destination – traffic growth in excess of 100% every month.

·         Commoditiescontrol.com is the undisputed leader in commodities information space - begins supplying information to corporate users.

·         With the acquisition of stakes in Jobstreet.com and Yatra.in, – the Group is investing aggressively in the Internet space with the aim of leveraging its 70M strong television audience franchise.

 

India's decision makers watch CNBC-TV18

 

·         Decision makers in India have made their choice. CNBC-TV18 is their most preferred news channel in India, ahead of general & business news channels. 75% of decision makers watch CNBC-TV18 as against 61% of NDTV 24x7.

·         CNBC-TV18 has more Out Of Home viewership than any other news channel. The DMS 5 discerned that 54% of Decision Makers watched CNBC-TV18 from Out of Home.

·         The viewrship measured by TAM is based on household sampling. The actual viewrship of CNBC-TV18 would include a figure of up to 45% more on current levels, as CNBC-TV18 is watched extensively in corporate offices and retail financial outlets. (Source: NFO Study on Out of Home Viewing, 2005)

 

AWAAZ

 

Amongst its other properties, AWAAZ has already emerged as a pioneer in consumer television. India's first consumer channel in Hindi has created a new category of television viewing quite distinct from general news. In fact the category has become one of the most sought after by marketers as well as a cross section of affluent, Hindi speaking audiences across the country. AWAAZ brings viewers a mélange of programming that is not available on any other television channel in India

 

·         In a year's time, AWAAZ has already developed a viewership comparable to CNBC-TV18!

·         Consumer Television in Hindi has come of age. It is already bigger than business television!


·         Corporate Decision Makers across sectors watched AWAAZ more than Star News, NDTV India and Zee News, as per the DMS 5 survey

 

 

It's been less than a year and a half since AWAAZ launched and the channel is already watched by more than 43% of India's decision makers. These decision makers choose AWAAZ ahead of established news channels like Star News, NDTV India and Zee News, second only to Aaj Tak. AWAAZ is the second most watched Hindi News channel amongst all decision makers.

 

TV18 has truly come to own more than 70% of the Business News viewrship space. The investment community in the country is pegged at close to 2.1 crores (SEBI NCAER Survey 2001). Seventy percent of the figure amounts to a massive 1.47 crore individuals whose information needs are looked after by the CNBC-TV18 and AWAAZ network offerings.

 

Moneycontrol is already the country's No.1 one online financial destination. It is also comparable to the world's largest financial destinations like the Wall Street Journal's online edition (wsj.com), Fool.com and Yahoo Finance! More than 4.5 million unique users on an average monthly 100 million + page views and the highest time spent of 29 minutes per user (as against an Indian average of 9 minutes) makes it a revolution of sorts. The audience profile is indicated by the fact that amongst the users of the Moneycontrol portfolio tracking service, more than 85% have a portfolio of investments averaging 5 lacs+ (on a base of approx 0.6 million portfolio users)

 

Between CNBC-TV18, AWAAZ and Moneycontrol.com, the network serves the needs of 40 million plus people monthly, who depend on these services to make investing decisions

 

CNN-IBN

 

CNN-IBN, the English News service from the TV18 Group (a service of TV18 and Time Warner) has leapt ahead of the four year old NDTV 24x7 in the core consumers of English News and India's most affluent and influential audiences.

 

CNN-IBN has taken the prime time lead not only in the audiences that matter but also in a much wider audience of CS 15+. It is purely a matter of time before CNN-IBN takes acomplete lead over NDTV 24X7 across all time bands and viewer profiles.

 

Infact CNN-IBN has gone on to beat NDTV 24X7, eight weeks in a row to establish itself as the undisputed prime time leader in English News, for affluent Indian decision makers

 

Beating NDTV:  Though 7/11was a sad event, but IBNlive was way ahead in it’s coverage.  It was the preferred destination on the net as it beat established players like ndtv.com.  The daily pageviews per million soared for ibnlive while dipped for NDTV.com.

 

CHANNEL 7

 

Channel 7 is spearheaded by the biggest faces of TV News journalism, including the likes of Ashutosh & Rajdeep Sardesai. To top it all, the channel is backed by a strong force of over 4000 news professionals in India. With bureaus in every state capital and with state-of-the-art broadcast centers in Delhi and Mumbai, the channel is backed by the biggest names in TV News journalism; in the Hindi heartland by Dainik Jagaran and international pedigree of CNN-IBN.

  

Channel 7 has swiftly grown to over a 11% market share of Hindi News! and  has already shot past NDTV India and Zee News in cities like Mumbai and other important Hindi Speaking markets like Gujarat and Maharashtra

 

Television Eighteen India Limited Consolidated  Financial Performance (Unaudited Consolidated) for the quarter ended 30th June 2006 (Rs. in mn)

 

 

Particulars

Apr-Jun 2006-07

 Q1

Apr-Jun 2005-06

Q1

Revenue from operations (excluding other income)

 

 

-News Operations

364.52

257.31

-Internet and software operations

51.54

11.86

 

 

 

Total Operating Revenue

416.07

269.17

Operating expenditure

202.30

132.72

Operating profit

213.76

136.45

Operating margin

51.38%

50.69%

Net Outflow on Revenue Share with CNBC

(12.57)

(10.20)

Interest/Income from investments

19.49

9.01

Interest Expense

(39.74)

(20.57)

Interest (Net)

(20.25)

(11.56)

Depreciation

(34.79)

(26.75)

Pre-tax profits

146.16

87.94

Provision for Current Tax/FBT

2.03

3.50

Profits After Tax

(before minority interest and ESOP charge out)

144.13

84.44

Minority Interest

5.92

0.93

Profits after tax and minority interest

(before ESOP charge out)

138.21

83.51

ESOP charge out

17.03

3.46

Profits after tax and ESOP charge out

121.17

80.05

Exchange Fluctuations

3.48

0.20

Profits after exchange fluctuations

117.69

79.85

Provision for Deferred Tax

0.00

0.00

Net Profit after Deferred Tax

117.69

79.85

Paid up equity share capital

210.43

183.01

EPS (Rs) before ESOP charge out

6.57

4.56

EPS (Rs) after ESOP charge out

5.59

4.37

 

                                        Source Management discussion and investor update

 



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Quote Vivek Sukhani Replybullet Posted: 28/Jul/2006 at 5:45pm
Good results. What is the PEG of TV-18. Also, everything looks decent but dont you think the Provision for Tax is unusually supressed.
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Quote basant Replybullet Posted: 28/Jul/2006 at 6:05pm
Other problems that one may ignore for the time being.
 
EPS growth is less then net profit growth but the co. invested heavily into three properties IBN, Awaaz Channel 7 and new internet ventures so we may ignore that because the equity dilution will be far less then the accreation to bottomline.
 
The cost of maintaining the brand is showing up on the esop side but since overall it is delivering and Media (Tv/  news ) is a branding game. people want to watch Udayaan irrrespective of what he is saying (he is smart no doubt) so the company has to have a very nice inbuilt esop plan so that the anchores stick. Since it is working out well we will just give it a pass but be alive to the caution. there are no other easier ways out. See how AAj tak and NDTV are losing people.
 
Prov for tax will be down also as after restructuring the company will be able to write off the losses of the start ups.They have provided enough defreed tax provisioning last year.
 
Growth in profits will be 70% that is what raghav bahl said last year but I would take it at around 40% compounded for another 2 - 3 years. The current year EPS would be around Rs 30 without including the enw properties and with their inclusion it could rise to as high as Rs 60 for fy 08Fy 07 will be a consolidating year for new properties as each one of them would try and break even therefore I am more sure on Fy 08 EPS.
 
So you have a 40% grower (minimum) at a 20 PE current year. PEG of .5. that is after the current sell off Tv 18 was the first to recover you were getting a 40% grower at a PE of 10 one month back.
 
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